Agree? Welfare is not enough. ADC is not enough. Section 8 is not enough. And that EBT card is totally inadequate. That dripping sound? Sarcasm.

how on Earth do those kids survive for 3 months in the Summer without food?

Why can you feed you own kids? What happened to personal responsibility? The government is broke. We can't fund EVERY thing.

BOY DO I AGREE... on top of that how does the "rich genius" figure a state that is in the red, as all are, is going to fund the program. It gives the states another apple to hang over us for increases in taxes. nothing is ever said about the current funding being "transferred" to the states to allow for the service. Sure the Feds would just love to see it come out of their budgetary responsibility.. that way they can better use the funds to give the senators and representatives raises and make sure their health care is paid for, you know the one we can't get that is multiple times better than anything we(the citizens ) can afford, because of the special treatment of our representatives.... SURE TAKE IT FROM OUR CHILDREN.... THAT'S THE AREA WHERE 99% OF THE PEOPLE WOULD BE INCLINED TO APPROVE A RAISE IN TAXES, to protect their little Sally or Johnny....
WHAT A PLAN....

I'm not saying I agree with Akin, but he's not saying he wants to do away with school lunches. He's saying it should be the responsibility of the States and not the Federal Government.

MJF, you might not be aware of this but there are states that send food to those in need during the summer months. It's a real problem, certainly not fodder for misplaced humor.

Matt, you are pretty far from reality, yourself.

Akin didn't say get rid of the program, he said let the States pay for it. Can you hear the difference?

Matthew,
Maybe we should tax their parents' former employers more to pay for those meals. Then we can tax them more for the additional children now in need because there are more unemployed. That's ok, we can just go back to those employers & tax more to cover it, but how do we feed all of these new children of laid-off parents & former employees that we just added? Tax the employer again?
Sound stupid? It should. But that's how you got here & what you suggest. Someone made you feel bad because a child didn't have a meal, so "Let's apply the cause again, that'll fix it."
Look, the Fed needs to get out of this completely. You want to talk reality? Here's the reality: The State can feed more children with the same amount of money. Municipalities can feed WAY more children with the same money. And those who still have jobs & some money left (or own a business not paying the Fed taxes for this crap) can feed even MORE children with the same amount of money.
Stop acting like you are FOR the children, whether you realize it or not, you are actually arguing for feeding the Federal Government MORE & children LESS.
They are using the idea of children starving to make you think the Federal government is the only one who can provide lunch. That's what's sickening. That & the fact that you think that if someone wants to take the Fed out of this, it means they want to starve children. That's what you're conditioned to think. Unfortunately, the Fed is the cause, not the solution.

Mr Wonderful,
They pay for the meals with the same money the Fed takes, without them taking their cut of that money off the top. Doing it that way, allows you to feed even more children with the very same money.

Then let the parents go get another job the way I had to.Why can't parents take any responsibility anylonger? Every thing should be furnished to them from the gov. and they say we are not going to a socialistic society

Corporations hardly build a big box store without having the taxpayers fork over millions in TIF money and/or using eminent domain. It's become common for corps to threaten to leave the a locality, unless the locality or state dole out tax incentives.

And hear the teabaggers are ranting about giving some poor kids lunch. I hear you, it is the parent's responsibility. But why punish kids for their parents.

Personally, I like my kid eats the school lunch as opposed to packing it (it's cheap, even though we aren't in a program.) For one, it saves working parents time, and is semi-balanced.

RDBet
Don't want to give the TIF, fine, don't that is 100% up to you and the other voters. Just remember thos ar jobs you know. But if you want to hand them to the next town downt he line that is fine.
No one said get rid of school lunches, what they said was stop giving them away for free. HOWEVER as much as we are all talking about this, it is really just a reflction of the real problems. The cost of a lunch is nothing compared to some of the much larger issues, but the point of the argument is still Take responsiblity for yourself, and stop expecting the govt to do things for you, because whatever it is they do is NOT...NOT free. In fact it cost way more for them to do it.

Intergr8r - you are incorrect - the voters rarely get a say in TIFs on any public spending sent to private enterprises. Really, bringing up TIFs was a tangent and poor comparison by me. Point was, there are billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars at go to benefit monopolistic coroporations. The money of the many going to the few.

You seem more worried about this piddly school lunch and teaching libertarianism to kintergarteners. Though you we can't teach personal responsibility to corporations - because corporations aren't people (Sorry Mittens...., they aren't)

Besides, school lunch pales in comparison to the public dollars going to subsidize private profits -corps don't build their own highways, dams, defense systems, education systems, etc etc - we do. As we often should. As I've said eslewhere -it's a balancing act of personal responsibility and shared responsibility.

Besides, I thought the argument from Akin was that this was a state issue - not so much a rule on ending school lunch programs -har har.

Why can you feed you own kids? What happened to personal responsibility? The government is broke. We can't fund EVERY thing. Its all government waste.

Amen, Jennifer! We as a nation, and as states, spend pitiful amounts taking care of our citizens. It is to everyone's benefit for people who live in our country to be healthy and able to learn and work. It makes me crazy that folks don't realize the role public health has played in our past and how, the bottom line is, our health is dependent on the health of those around us.

Who cares how much of the budget it is? How is that a logical point? It's not.

States are perfectly capable of making their own decisions in terms of where and how to spend money.

I care how much of the budget it is. Suppose this $9.7 billion was simply excised from the budget. Mitt Romney would save about $30 a year in Federal taxes. Rep. Akin is wasting his time in Washington, on my dime and Mitt Romney's nickel.

If anyone wants to intelligently reduce spending, at any level, they look at the big ticket items first. For example, defense is at least 24% of Federal spending. The impact there alone would be nearly 100 times as great. Then there's the other 75% of Federal spending. In 12 years in Washington, what credible legislation has Rep. Akin introduced to reduce Federal government spending?

Pack there lunch. silly

That's an incredibly simplistic statement. So, I have to go hungry so you can feed someone else's child?

That makes perfect sense to me! Thanks, neighbor!

Then quit starving them. Children starved in the USSR everyday before these types of wasteful programs crashed the economy & broke apart the country.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE WAY TO FEED THESE CHILDREN. NOT THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN EAT. Get your emotions out of the way so you can get that through your head. They are using your emotions to make you stupid, and it's working.

Any teacher probably belogs to a Union, so they'll tell you anything that centralizes power and requires you to pay for their special interest.

In terms of stating something that's common sense, I could do the same about a million different topics. None of that is relevant to whether or not the States should be responsible for their own school programs or not.

And so your solution is to have the federal government feed them? Why not EXPECT their parents to do it? Why not EXPECT their parents to pull up their pants and get a job? Maybe stop smoking crack so they can afford some food for the kids. Why when a parent fails a child do you think the responsibility just falls back on the government?
I'm sick of people expecting things fromt he government, and I'm sick of paying for everyone elses mistakes.

To: Inter8er:
Sick and tired of societies demand for "freebies"?
Well next time the school board asks for just a dime or more yes-vote from you , take a look at your $4 existing tax rates. Get your neighbors to say "NO". Maybe one day more residents will say enough taxation on our Homes.
You have a strong "Vote-Pill" to stop all future sicknesses.
Like your comments . keep them up.

PaulRevere
Trust me I never vote yes to a tax increase. Not for anything, they already have more money, power, and control than I can stand.

Interg8er that's a idiotic way to look at things. Have you ever looked at the taxes and maybe realize that they actually sometimes help other people than yourself?Shit doesn't get done in politics because people like you have stubborn attitudes of "i never vote for a tax increase". And I bet a majority of the parents who cannot pay for their children's lunch are not on crack as you ridiculously said. I know kids on the lunch program at Ladue whose parents aren't on drugs and have actual jobs, they don't just get paid enough.

Why can you feed you own kids? What happened to personal responsibility? The government is broke. We can't fund EVERY thing.

Hey,
What do you know. This is a liberal troll poster. This same comment was posted 18 times in at least 8 states. Please take the Soro's money you are earning to post your robo-comments and buy all of the medication your doctor reccomends. When you skip doses or medications it seems you enter an alternate reality world. Just my advice.

your funny. Less government is best government. its simple. Most of your comments can and should be done at local levels, We do not to layers of government. each state needs to control what each state does. I have two questions for you
1. How much out of $100.00 that you make do you want the government to have to spend how ever they want?
2. Do you think we have to much government control?

I'd LOVE to address these "points," but that would be way off-topic. I do have a question: FRED is a working mother? Or FREEDA? Or are you conjoined twins, perhaps? Hmmm.

You get the message! Pass it on!

You ARE a loyal subject aren't you? The perfect job for someone of your intellect.
We already know what you've been told. We heard the lies too. You are exactly who they count on being out there to lap-up that crap. Was that a script?

Just to clarify some of the basic differences in philosophy:
Conservatives believe in the system that has worked better than any in history & think we should return to it.
Liberals believe that making government bigger & controlling everything to provide for everyone is not only necessary (when it isn't) but possible (which it also isn't).They believe in that idea, even though it's proven ONLY to fail throughout the entire history of the world.
Liberals believe everyone is accountable to a government that isn't & that everything that belongs to you is theirs to distribute. Anything you have, you only got because they allowed you to get it. And if they get their way, it'll be true.
Liberals want you to believe that your money is theirs, Conservatives want to remind you it's the other way around.
Conservatives believe that what you make is yours & know that an economy only comes around when the people spend & business thrives.
Liberals believe that everything gets better, the more of your money they take/spend & that we are too stupid to decide how to spend our own money ourselves.
Liberals praise themselves for providing a fish, then tell you that anyone that wants to build a pond or lake instead, is just trying to take away that fish.

You mean: you are a working mother FOR NOW. That is until your job is taxed either out of business or out of the country to pay for these things that could be done cheaper & more effectively by 3 other levels of government, or even by you for your own kids, IF you still had a job.
Can you explain how someone who can get out & vote (4 or 5 times) can't get out to get an ID?
You mean fear like: the kids will starve if the government doesn't feed them?
It's funny how you mention "fear-mongering" when that's exactly how you came to believe all of the falsehoods you just listed. They made you scared of those things, then attributed them to their enemies, and you bought it (because you're too busy or lazy to check the facts).
BTW, Political Correctness is where you get your segregation, dividing people into those little groups.
I don't even know why I'm trying, you can't explain any of it, I don't know why I thought you could or would even try. Just like the rest of you that bought the script, you come on, list a bunch of lies you can't support, and set back evolution 500 years.... I'm done.

Fred n Freeda: Is this a RECIPE?
Were these your thought out homework points?
Seems these are right out of the "talking points" of the Democratic party.
Tell us where you got this? PLEASE!
I'm dying to Bake it.

I agree with Todd Akin. His opposition is to excessive federal spending at ALL LEVELS. In my opinion printing money and borrowing from China is a poor choice. Here is question: how are we paying for the school lunches? With printed money or money borrowed from China?

Give the person a break. English is obviously a second language.

I love your thinking

Politicians like to play a shell game on responsibility and authority of federal and the states. Nothing new here. If Akin wants to end school lunch programs, he should be a man and say so, instead of playing this game of kicking it to the states.

We have a constitution for the United States, and I am pretty sure Brian Nieves bill did not pass and it still applies to Missouri. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/who-knew-secession-again-on-the-agenda-in-missouri/255980/#

We also had a war where 620,000 people died over this. When would slavery have ended on this land if left it to the states?...Slavery was legal and slaves were not citizens.

Sorry for the extreme examples needed to prove a point to the extreme mindsets..

Denise, somehow we all have to live within our means. WWII gave us a great advantage economically but we have moved from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. Unfortunately, a service economy isn't as lucrative. I asked my financial adviser if we would ever see big returns on our money. He laughed and said, "Those days are long gone. We'll be lucky if our currency is worth anything two years from now." Frankly, I'm scared.

Way to say it.

Nick, I agree with you.

I love that idea Nick well said its a win win...states w/hold the $ they send to the fed and pay for it themselves. It seems so simple.

Why can you feed you own kids? What happened to personal responsibility? The government is broke. We can't fund EVERY thing

Michelle, maybe he wants to change public policy.

mark c... if you're going to keep posting the same, repetitive message over and over again, at least get it right. I believe you mean to say, "Why CAN'T you feed your own kids?" Well, Mark C., I hope it never comes to you having to answer that question, but if your house is being foreclosed on and you've been laid off from work, it might just come to your mind how it IS possible not to be able to feed your own kids. As to the government funding EVERY thing (it's really one word), perhaps the politicians could trim some of the perks of their jobs (high salary, excellent health benefits AND a great retirement package), and let some kids eat a good lunch on their saved expenses? By the way, exactly how IS the state going to pay for this program if the federal government will not? Higher taxes? I don't think so.

I haven't heard Pelosi. Reid, Frank. etc bring it up either. When Obama was in the Senate did he bring it up?

I think that's the point, Ron. None of the politicians bring up their top of the line health care for life or their fabulous retirement benefits, all paid for by us. And while we're debating feeding children, do the big dudes in Washington still eat in the Senate dining room? Always wondered if they pay for that perk or do we?

Mike K, Just a quick note.. the reason you see obesity in the disadvantaged is due to carbs and sugar. Walk through your grocery store and take note of what is inexpensive (pasta, rice, bread and processed foods). A pasta dinner is much less expensive for a family of 4 than a more nutritious dinner consisting of meat, veggies and fruit.

I am sorry you even had to post this. I am only for Steelmen Claire is WAY to the Left in terms of finances and social issues. Akin is ONLY the lesser of evils, given opposition of McCaskill. But in my heart, my default vote for Akin will be a waste as he is as out of touch as is she, but she is the incumbent. <3 sprinter.

I've needed help, once or twice over the years, and received it. I have no problem with "help," I have a big problem with enabling. If that makes me mean in your opinion, well, guess I can handle that.

When a family's money is used for non-necessities and therefore they are unable to feed their children, the children suffer of course; and that's what they count on - because it's children, someone will help them. Not all, not even most, but some.

I do not know the history of the populous having to pay for others food. It sounds similar to how things were done behind the old "iron curtain". Everybody ends up standing in line for a loaf of bread. It is not mean! It is a matter of pulling your own weight in this society! These poor waifs who have no lunch money because their guardian/parent has a drug habit is not our responsibility Federal or State! Survival of the fittest! Give them and their parents a gun and drop them in Afghanistan! Let them be the cannon fodder instead of our hard working young men getting slaughtered in the so called fight against terrorism!

Sorry: Not mean---just judicious. Claire has crossed the line toward socialist leanings. There will be a downward spiral until we are a welfare state. Sam Sanders indicated a need for reform. Reform should mean improvement. Under McCaskill / Obama, it means welfare, socialist state. Believe me, i WILL pay big time for my vote to retain our democracy.

Mike:
The schools also allowed the students to "PRAY" for their Dad's back in WWII.
Why did that END?

Ameriki:
What an intelligent 5 line statement!!
Applause !

B/T/W I think we should be saying "The Obama-Health-TAX Act"
starting 2014, this country will lament the 270 taxes that this Act will bestow on society. Every wheelchair, Breathing device, home hospital bed, or medical device will cost 3.4% more in TAX for the "Regime". that's just 1 of 270 taxes coming.
Our school luinch program will be dwarfed with a $700bil obama-TAX in 2014.
If only the single woman only knew that "selling a soul to the devil" starts with a "Desire" and ends with a "lure"

Earl:
Did you know Charities exist precisely for the unfortunate.
Did you know that we have thousands of adoption possibilities.
Just where do you conclude "starving" results from the child's actions.?
Let me add, if you directed as much of your time teaching and preaching to the "irresponsible", maybe we all would have one less topic to debate.

You go Earl! PaulRevere is surely unaware that most charities and food banks are are low on funds or are "temporarly out of funds," which is what they would use, if they had them, to help the unfortunate(underpaid struggling workers)! PaulRevere also must be so outta touch that he is unaware of the fact that there are thousands of children who are wards our state that have been waiting ALL of their lives to be adopted. It's not that cut and dry Mr. Revere, not in the world I live in anyways.

No Mr Reductio Ad Absurdum,
He's for taking these issues out of the hands of Federal government control. Same stance on both issues.
You also know that.

I don't know how any of you ate today without the Federal government scooping it into your mouths.
You must be eating what you got from the government, cuz' it sure is what you're regurgitating.

No taxes ever, and it would be utopia. We couldn't fund wars. No TIFS for building big box stores. No interstate highways -that could be a pain, but I like the backroads. Not having bridges would be kind of a pain. It would be rough to scrape up 20K each year to send my kid to Villa. Oh, I hope I never need an ambulance or the house doesn't catch on fire. etc etc etc.

I love how RDBet always goes to the extreme on opposing comments. Mark C mused about lower taxes and of course, RDBet reads it as ALL taxes should be abolished. Hey RDBet it's called "compromise". It's where people of differing opinion meet in a place that both can accept. I'm betting Mark C is willing to pay for roads, teachers, firefighters, bridges, etc if he didn't have to keep paying for studies of shrimp on treadmills or footing politicians' bar tabs. I'll tell you what. You go ahead and personally cover the $2.6M that the government spent training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly while on the job and the rest of us will take a minor cut in taxes. We are sick of being treated like piggy banks by our elected officials.

RDBet:
Let me guess!
You must either a) Work for the government.
b) Sell something to the Government.
c) or Depend on a Government Check.

"Taxman" A beatles song you should listen to.

@Nikki we had to use this lunch service when my husband was laid off. When we had this service we did not have cell phones, or cable, or video games, etc. Not everyone abuses the system. Now that my husband is back to work making good money and we pay for their lunches, we don't have cell phones, or video games, etc. My husband has a work cell phone and that is used for work. It is not a must have thing for us. Don't put everyone into that box, there are still some honest people out there.

I'm not ignoring a point, it's just hard to reason with someone that believes Obama is a socialist marxist (you have said that) especially when his presidential record does not back that up.

The examples you bring for deregulation (story about a maternity pillow) and of wasteful spending/lower taxes (the CIA prostitute thing or Solyndra) do back up your point - but miss seeing the elephants in the room - massive military spending-including the unfunded Iraq War. Or how about a former sec of Defense goes to work for large military contractor (Halliburton) then becomes VP of nation and gives no-bid billions in contracts to Halliburtion?

Am I really dealing in platitudes when referring to the anything-goes deregulatory stances under Bush and the trickle down taxation policies that played prominently in the economic meltdown. Before I am berated on that statement - I do realize it was all not that simple - however I do not believe the meltdown can be pinned on ACORN.

Which is why I am not gong to debate over a maternity pillow and what not. Frankly I don't care. I have enough personal experience in the economy and business environment, and do not need to go rooting around the right-wing blogosphere for tales of woe.

Elizabeth, thanks for clarifying the social marxist thing. He read theory and worked around some activist. Jeesh. Does that mean Obama is still on the list? One could make some bizarre inferences on Romney from his background just as well.

You seem to believe that the country is in danger of going too far left. I contend that we've gone too far right, and the tactics to make it go further right are deplorable. This Akin situation has shed light on the extremist influences on the GOP. And the Ryan/Romney response -even though they agree with Akin in votes and proposal - indicates that its not really abortion issue that matters to them - but getting elected, and the power and returning the campaign investment of the wealthy back to them sevenfold.

Have any sort of day you want. smily thing

Are you saying then that President Obama did not say ""To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock poets"? I guess he never "went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn.” Nor did he speak at the DSA conference in 1996? And I suppose he never lamented the fact that the Supreme Court did nothing to encourage or support wealth redistribution either? I guess Frank Marshall Davis wasn't important in his life either and had absolutely no influence on a young Obama. Like it or not these are his own words. My repeating them doesn't make them lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4EHmzslKLw - He's reading the quote himself for the audio version himself.

Accusing me of lying b/c I repeated what the President himself wrote? Earl, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Oh, the old tried and true tactic of suddenly pretending like you didn't say what you said. Brilliant Elizabeth (not). It's called "shifting the goalposts" and it's a sign of a weak argument if you resort to it.

Let me refresh your (apparently limited) memory. You stated without reference, "(Present Obama) was trained as a socialist marxist and that he had communist ties. He said so himself in his book".

I have read both of his books. I went back and looked at every occurrence of the word "communist" in both books. Nothing of the sort of what you claim was in either book. Therefore your statement is (quite easily) provably false.

I'm really not that old, but in my day we respected the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces regardless of whether we voted for him. We didn't go around telling out and out lies. Yes, there were those who equated Bush with Hitler. If you knew me, you would know I was most assuredly not one of them.

All that decorum and civility seems to have just been thrown out the window. Thanks to the Tea Party and other members of the right-wing kookosphere, any end all lies and smears to the President of the United States of America are fair game.

We have free speech in this country, and there is certainly no law against what you are doing. But it doesn't paint you in a very good light, and frankly, I'm done conversing with you until you can show an ounce of civility and respect towards the nation I love.

I said that President Obama was trained by Marxist Socialists. President Obama wrote in his memoir that he made a point of connecting w/ the Marxist professors. He admittedly hung out w/ the members of the Socialist group. Where is the lie? I said that he had Communist ties. At least one of the people who was influential in his life was an admitted Communist. Where is the lie? I have never called him anything other than "President Obama" or simply "Obama". How am I being uncivil? How am I being disrespectful of the office of the Presidency? I gave you actual quotes from the memoir. How am I proven wrong? How have I "smeared" him by quoting him? No doubt Romney could be linked to people who he would rather not be, much like I'm sure President Obama would remove his link to Rev. Wright if he could. That doesn't change the fact that I repeated information that the President already wrote about, nothing more, nothing less. I don't know where you are going with the President Bush / Hitler thing, that is outta left field. I pointed out a fact he already told the world in print. He studied under Marxists, hung out with Socialists and knew at least one Communist. There is nothing untrue in that. I can't help it if it holds a negative connotation for you. To me it is simply political & social ideology. If anything it implies that he was somewhat diverse. If I had my "druthers" he would have spent an equal amount of practical study on economics & capitalism too.

Debbie:
I have returned to wake up all school district voters.
Families are having our private education (Religion) stolen using our own money. Lured by first allowing prayer and God in public schools. gone!
Education is not a Government created need.
The public school system is charging us for everything we buy or do.
All in the name of "Education".
I am here to spread the word that "Education also includes Private education Tuition"

If we must pay our $2,000 Education Real estate tax then , that $2,000 should go to the legitimately accredited "private school system that has been available for generations"
There is no less education in Private or Public school systems RRR
We American taxpayers must wake up and get this changed. NOW!
I am tired of feeding and educating someone elses children because I am Paying Twice for the same education standards in Missouri.
If the supreme court can rule that a woman has the right to "CHOOSE"
I certainly have the Parents "Right to CHOOSE" whatever approved education is available.
It is time for all our Public educators to demand their value from people who use their teaching services.
I see this Government mandating we all use the "Public Hair stylist".
Can you imagine what that hair stylist could earn if you had to pay your own stylist, plus pay additional Real estate taxes to support a public Hair stylist.
It's not for the children.
Unless we change the public school funding system, No one will ever Own their HOME.

Irroc:
With due respect.
Many of those children whose parents live in a home and whose parents own an automobile is exactly what I am fighting for.
Those parents are paying Real estate and automobile personal property taxes to support a school system that has made millionairre Administrators and principals.
If you want to vent about the poor children needing more, than I suggest you ask WHY their parents who have so little income are being TAXED to pay for their so-called Free education.
If you have read all my posts here, try to take that Teacher Hat off, because you are not going to like what I write.
It is YOUR profession's guaranteed pay structure that is burdening every low income family who is trying to support a home and auto.
Your peers represent 75% of the public school cost.
Yes, Those children you take care of are paying dearly for your services.
No one is paying for them.
Our funding methods of Public schools has placed these poor families into deeper financial strains. The "state" is the people.We can afford to help them. Not at the wages we pay you.
Simply put, that is the problem. A bloated Public program now out of control.
Taxing home value creates lesser wealth.
I can go on and on.
CHARITIES is the lowest cost way to care for the homeless. Not the public school.
That is why Tax breaks for those having the money would fund many local charities.
The Federal govt is wasting money needed for your 160 homeless.
Bless you for all you do.

"Some of you need to realize that it is not about who pays more, or where it comes from"
This is EXACTLY what is wrong with our schools, and our government!!!!!
Right there, you said IT!!!

You're a riot. I really am getting a kick out of your comments -though it took me a while to catch on.. Exaggerated satire of the ultra-conservative. Stephen Colbert is getting a run for his money. Who else you get in on this schtik?

RDBet:
I never have watched Colbert a day in my life- Just once on his Terrible Bush-media Dinner performance.
You need to stop watching "satire" and get real.
Ignoring reality and labeling facts as "satire" might be a game of words , but does ZERO to debate the facts.
RDBet, I suggest you Mute CNN MSNBC and FOX news shows and record them.

For 3 consecutive nights.
Listen to only those segments that interest you. FAIR?
But definitely listen to every segment you see Obama talking.
Then the commentary. I guarantee you will be a much more informed debater on the issues, without labeling jabes.
I sense you have the mind and thinking ability to do that.

RdBet
Of course I meant to write ---Mute the segments you do not want to listen to.

Oh, well it does seem your rants and rages and faux patriotism are more exaggerated than Colbert's -though I've only seen his show a few times.

And on your suggestion to watch CNN MSNBC Fox etc. I will cut you a deal and watch none of them, just like most days. Fair enough?

Afterall, it is possible to gain a wide perspective by living a full life, being involved in school, community, and work. Of course you read, and occasionally watch news on TV. But figuring out how one's personal experiences and lessons learned fit in the larger picture is more important than watching those stupid 24/7 news shows.

As I stated, my views on public education, are mostly from my experience with my kids and people in the profession. Most my views on various topics, at least the ones that I care the most about are formed this way.

This can be tricky, because if you are not involved with people that are different than you in economic standing, religion, color and age etc - then it is quite easy to take what limited experience you have with different people and fit it into some predisposed stereotype you gleaned from elsewhere.

Of course, that last couple paragraphs are giving you benefit of the doubt that you are a true believer in the views you've shown that are of the extreme right - rather than someone having fun doing a Colbert schtik.

Thanks for you effort Paul, but I fear it is hopeless. They just won't learn. The frightening truth is that those of us who can see hat is coming are preparing, and will prevail in one form or another, it is for their own benefit that they listen but still they won’t.

Integr8er:
Thanks!
I thought I could ride through and get to the next town much more quickly.
So I'll stay a little longer.
But be assured! In the words of the great 911 President
(Ask any Dem who that could be!!?/)

"SOON ALL OF AMERICA WILL BE HEARING FROM ME"

To be titled ("AN Education lesson for the "educators" A New Revelation-for ALL homeowners! )
Believe me, it's not religious.
They (Educatiors) are outnumbered.

PaulRevere -thank you for visiting our little ole Patch. I know the hard right is probably put off by you satirizing them like a Stephen Colbert would. And some may be awaken by how close your faux personna is to many right-wing extremists, but, I for one, have gotten a kick out of this schtik.

TO ALL LIBERALS:
I know what pain you must all be in, as this forum of expression is killing your favorite debate tool. Facts unanswered.
None of you have hit your best shot with one fact to back up your "Freedom exclusion" to Americans.
School Lunch is a Prop only for all your hidden agenda's to Tell and Force All Americans to Depend on every Government employee.

"Old-men" "Far Right" "Extremists" are the words of "INTELLECTUAL VACANCY".

Count the people around you who now have "internet" capability.
Count the people who will vote NO when they understand that forcing extravagant Government pay structure wages downward is the only recovery for American Freedom.

There are always more Hard-working Americans toiling to pay mediocracy.
We will find a way to STOP the "stealing of our Hard-work and pay"

In the meantime- Figure this out

Where would you live?
1) A school district town of 100 Educators! (no farmers or private industry workers) (100 children)
2) A school district town of 100 Farmers 1 educator 1 local private school. (100 children)

Be careful with your answers.

Pearl Revue,

A more appropriate analogy would be to say, if you were to say only 1000 people survived a disaster and could start 10 societies of 100 people each, which society would you join and why, considering you had equal input as anyone else is setting up that society. Remember, it's completely from scratch. No infrasture exists at all.

And since this post is about Akin, here is Part 3 of my series. http://mehlville-oakville.patch.com/blog_posts/todd-akins-rape-comment-was-pseudoscience-but-what-about-the-morality-of-abortion-part-3-morality

RdBet: OK you got me.
What the heck is "SCHTIK" or am I just too young to know?
Did you read up on those California Bankruptcies?
Colbert? Ok I am his lead writer.
What a brilliant person you are.!
Now-Would you please tell the readers what you learned on those California and Pennsylvania CITY BANKRUPTCIES. No TV needed. No Colbert!

The laughs keep coming. Hoping that you provide pseudo-coverage and commentary of the national political conventions - should be hilarious. Thanks Paul.

KARL:
You give your analogies and I'l give mine.
Besides, Liberals can only handle one analogy at a time!!!!!

(peek preview into yours'---You need 1000 apparently succesfully driven population to have a "DISASTER") Suffer (loss of property) is the result of "Disaster". You didn't build that ! DID YOU?

KARL:
One more thing.
Stop promoting your new sites before I reach your "STALL" would you.
I can only "RIDE" so fast.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here I go!!!!!!!!!!

Katie: There is no double standard here, this was a partnership effort between the government and the auto workers union and the corporation itself to help families who in mass numbers lost employment with very little prior notice. Auto workers recieved COMMODITY foods such as what is sent to disaster relief areas here and abroad. All of the above contributed funds. We were not fed 2 meals a day for free indefinitely as alot are today in these school lunch programs with straight taxpayer money. Two different things entirely. The program is being abused and needs to be corrected, end of story.

TO RAHIB:
Thanks Rahib, for adding another "label" to your vocabulary.
There are 140 "posts" here. I looked "above" and all I saw was "MY CEILING"

Carolie:
I am happy to fund Food for "needy" "poor" kids. I am not happy to fund food for the many "freeloaders" like you who can afford to pay your full share ofPublic school education without expecting others who choose another education school.
That is the issue here.
I can speak for our parish who feeds the poor and needy every day. Kids who can eat free from our Schools charity.

My spending to also pay for your child's free lunch is taking that money away from the needy child in our parish.
That is unfair, and if you could afford more than your real estate tax for public education , I would hope you make an annual contribution to your Public school of choice (Amount of $7,000) would cover your real cost of public school education for your child.
That is the cost your are "freeloading" on every resident who chooses other education methods.
We are being bankrupted by people who do not pay their fair share to public school system. It is people like you who think it's "FREE".

Carolie:
You conveniently left off the 12 years "free" education you received for yourself and your 3 children. (That is K-12) There is no part of my Real Estate or Auto personal property tax that goes for whatever college you attended. That is the way it should be for your K-12 years. You obviously could afford the full cost of K-12 without needing any public assistance.
B/T/W Jesus always cares in "Food, Shelter, and Clothing" for the needy.
Never did Jesus intend care to include "education".
Those who have the financial ability to pay full tuition for their children are taking advantage of the system. That's a fact. You gladly would "fund food for kids"
because you "freeload" on the actual funding of teacher's pays.
It's comments like yours' that re-define the word entitlements.
You are the first person ever to label a "Tax Cut" as an entitlement.
As if you never got a "college credit" on your tax returns. (Fully paid by that Rich person)
Now I know why.

I have always been warned to be wary of people who claim to speak for Jesus. Now I know why.

Wrong again, Mr. Revere.

"There is no part of my Real Estate or Auto personal property tax that goes for whatever college you attended."

That just proves that you don't even read your own tax bills.

"Never did Jesus intend care to include 'education'."

Now how would you know that? Is that a "fact"?

"Those who have the financial ability to pay full tuition for their children are taking advantage of the system. That's a fact."

How is it a "fact"? If I drive on a toll-free public highway, am I taking advantage of the system? If I buy price subsidized farm products, am I taking advantage of the system? If I live in liberty because our soldiers have defended our country with their lives, am I taking advantage of the system?

You sure do have a strange conception of "fact", Mr. Revere.

Caring for people takes on many different forms, but paying for others to have a free ride through life is just the opposite of caring for them! You only teach them to be dependent on the government and others and more needy and unable to care for themselves, that is detrimental to our society and drags everyone down!

Carolie, don't despair, your idealism is inspirational.

People on this forum are smart enough to distinguish "The Trolls" from the genuine people who understand the complexities of a pluralistic society, and actually live in and support their communities. Trolls like the above poster (I will not use his fake name) have nothing to contribute and make a sport out of angering others.

My hat tips to you and all the hard-working teachers everywhere, of which I am proud to have several in my family.

Hear, hear.

I'm amazed at the insult and hurt that "The Trolls" will hurl, and the silly "facts" and "reason" and assumptions that they fabricate, to support their self-serving agendas.

Carolie: A retired Teacher!
Now we all know why you care less about the cost of Public school.
You got all of it "FREE".
Actually, it is you that said "Tax cuts for the RICH are "entitlements".
That is hatred for a group, in any forum. Yes, your idealism IS real. It is not out of style. Almost all teachers share that idealism, and that speaks for the "ME-GUARANTEED" attitudes of our Educators today. Educators show no concerns about district resident "plights"?
Now, if you look at the average pensions of the hard working residents around you, you should be getting over 3X the average $18,000 that each resident gets in social security. Now that is your "entitlement". Paid for by your neighbors.
Our system allocates our education dollars to your demands first, then whatever is left determines our real school choices.
Your service to community did not include over 30% of the community. Yet , you were paid by that 30%. Of course, you would agree that charging for services not rendered becomes an "entitlement" to you. A Teacher is a teacher. All teachers provide a needed service. (Whether private or public)
Missouri does require a "Free" Education, but it now has become an issue---
AT WHAT COST?
The FEDS SHOULD STOP FUNDING SCHOOL LUNCHES. Our public schools should not be taxing our Automobiles. Your pay has nothing to do with the car we drive.
Eating , Sports arena's, swim pools, auditoriums, has nothing to do with Education.
Users should pay those.

Wrong again, Mr. Revere.

"You got all of it 'FREE'."

Teachers pay taxes like the rest of us.

I think somebody forgot to board the last train out of Cuckoo Town.

Mr. Revere said "Your service to community did not include over 30% of the community. Yet , you were paid by that 30%. "

My dear Mr. Revere, I explained this once to you but it just didn't seem to sink in.

The purpose of public education is not to benefit you personally, or to benefit 70%. It is to benefit our great society as a whole! Even if you or your children elect (I so love to use that word!) to not take advantage of our public education opportunities, you and your 30% still have the duty (I say,privilege!) of funding those opportunities for all. Our great society has a long, long history of encouraging public education, reaching all the way back to the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.

In other words, you don't get to opt out of your taxes.

Your response last time missed the mark. If you try again, please explain how public education does not benefit all of us, and why you should be exempt from paying for it.

The encouragement was documented as far back as 1787. Mandates most certainly came later, and continue to this day.

I don't know why you put a question mark after "Northwest Ordinance of 1787". It's a real document.

You say: "To stop taxing residents who make under $40,000 per year for any Public Education, which our MO constitution states-"Should be FREE."" Where does the Missouri Constitution say that residents who make under $40,000 per year don't have to pay taxes?

Your comments about "forcing" are misplaced. We're not talking about forcing public education. However, as I've pointed out to you before, you must pay YOUR taxes! You are forced to pay taxes. So am I.

You say: "My Goal has Zero to do with Escaping paying my share of "Public Education" ". Good, I'm glad we have that settled! So you'll pay your taxes. If you want private schools, you are of course welcome to fund them privately. And I wish you the best of luck.

One more thing, that 30 cents of which you speak. Should it be higher or lower?

Maricruz:
You represent what I hope will be our--TEACHER's of the Future Right here.
Your eloquent essay should be posted on every Bulletin board in America.
Our schools are not "education", they are child-care centers (with Success rates far below years ago),using funds that are spent 75% on the care-takers. People think public schools are "FREE".
In fact, they are the most expensive Taxed system in America. The poor and needy pay up the "A__" for this education, all the while being told it's FREE.
My hat is off to you----"TEACHER OF THE YEAR".

Oh you found your three-cornered hat - GOOD! Or was it the tinfoil hat that you found? Now get off your lazy-freeloading-trust-fund-suckling-fingerpointing-delusional-whiny arse and fix me a pina colada!

Couldn't be better spoken by an anti-choice, anti-labor, right wing tea party moron.

When you say that real estate tax should go for the classrooms, what exactly do you mean? The textbooks, computers, supplies? Because most research will show that even with the very best textbooks and computers, students need the best teachers to progress. Why should we care about having the best teachers? Because our nation, one with free public education that one of the Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, thought was so vitally important, needs to compete in the global world. A world where teachers are better paid and more respected. I've read that an average teacher in the US makes about 68% of the income of the average private sector worker, whereas in other countries (with better test scores) they make just as much or more. You constantly complain about teacher pay, but teachers are not paid by the hour and cannot get overtime or triple time, do not get performance bonuses, do not get any perks like gym memberships or Cardinals tickets. The teacher job market is one that is really only open from April - July, whereas private sector jobs come open all year round. One comment I made to you (that you have never responded to) was this--would you want the lowest paid doctor performing surgery on you in the lowest-taxed hospital? If so, then certainly let us know, but if not, then tell me how that differs from having the lowest paid teacher in the lowest taxed district, because both people profoundly affect your life....
And wasn't Paul Revere a liberal?

Do we still have "free Lunches" "Free transportation" "excessively priced public education"? Of course we do. The election is over , but not the "STEALING".

Quit your BELLYACHIN about Free lunches. You've been moochin off the trust FUND for DECADES. What other kind of LOSER can spend so much time on the PATCH? AND quit STEALING MY pina coladas!

>>"Ellisville residents showed everybody why Ellisville is NOT where you want to live or do business!"

Out of curiosity, Debbie, could you enumerate exactly how the residents of Ellisville did this? It's not self-evident, and as an Ellisville resident I'd like you to educate me on why you blame the residents for the mess and why people don't wish to live here?

Caffeinated: Ellisville residents voted in the "COUNCIL".
It is the Residents that choose the "COUNCIL".
Now if the Council "fires" the mayor, who is responsible?
Is that enough explanation.

You sound like a nice match FOR MY PATRIOTIC SON!!!

Debbie-Ballwin:
Reduced Property taxes for ALL..
Trust me. Lori Trakas's winning in this very liberal machine environment speaks wonders about how many readers follow me and responded to her fabulous campaign strategy. I hope she has some affect on Tax reductions.
I choose to take the message directly to the sites of where "liberals" hibernate".
I now see that spreading as my letters to Senators are making them go directly to Liberal infested locations.
It is time for all conservatives and "God loving people" to speak the "truth" and educate the uneducated. (80% of our public school children are not ready for college). (Glorified country clubs)
We must take back our Public Schools along with our country. I want smarter students , They want More Pay.
I urge all VOTERS in ALL Public school districts to Stop the excessive Taxation in the name of Education. Educators are way outnumbered , if ALL residents VOTE.
Our public schools have "stolen" our religion by making it financially impossible for residents to use alternative state approved education.
Free lunches-transportation have no place in education at today's COSTS.
That is the biggest reason and mission of PaulRevere.
The more name calling you see, the more worried they become.

Debbie, I am so very proud indeed! Look at all my son has accomplished in this journalism career on the Patch! He can STIR UP public Education hatred AND he makes a mean Pina Colada! ALL THIS, from my humble basement.

Yes, and he used his real name when he spoke to others.

Yes back then PUBLIC SCHOOLS actually EDUCATED people!

Welcome to the real world where these 4 things you mention happen everyday to others trying desparatly to take care of families and homes even making less then proposed here........

oh yeah, that is one thing he is good at EXERCISING FREEDOM OF SPEECH! If that is what you call this - people like you and HIM in the basement commenting on the Patch instead of enjoying this beautiful day and FIXING ME PINA COLADAS!